Monday, February 23, 2015

Fahrenheit 451 fishbowl #1: fifth hour

Today we'll primarily focus our discussion on the second reading section of Fahrenheit 451 beginning at the page break on 15 & continuing through the page break on 32.  

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61 comments:

  1. How does Clarisse bring out a different side in Montag?

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    1. Montag usually just goes through the motions as if he's on autopilot. Clarisse has him slow down and see what he is missing and stuff

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    2. @JessiS2017 Clarisse shows Montag that things don't have to be the way it is now, she shows him that it's ok to have some fun and change routine. "What does the Hound think about down there nights? Is it coming alive on us, really?..." P.25 This is showing how he is questioning the way of things.

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    4. @JessiS2017 Clarisse changes the way Montag thinks because she makes him question everything he knows; "I didn't know that! Montag laughed abruptly" (Bradbury 7). Clarisse makes Montag question things he would never even think about.

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  2. Do you think that the media we have today is corrupting young minds in a negative way? could a government like this help or hurt when handled correctly

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    1. I believe it is corrupting the world in a negative way, eventually media will completely take over, and when it does there will really be nothing we can do about it. A government like this could be both good but yet still bad. Yet look how many people use social media as it is.

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    2. I think that the media corrupts our minds to an extent but not having freedom of choice would corrupt our minds even more.

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    3. I don't think the media we have today is necessarily corrupting our minds because there are a lot of ways it is helpful, but if media is over used then it is more hurtful than favorable. The government should not be able to control that much of a citizens life and a person can make their own decisions for themselves.

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    4. I think that the media today is corrupting young minds in a negative way because it is so different from what real life truly is. Sometimes its not even affecting the young people it can affect adults too. Montag showed this when the firemen believed what was in their rule books. They did not question it at all and Bradbury said "Stoneman and Black drew forth their rule books, which also contained brief histories of the Firemen of America, and laid them out where Montag, though long familiar with them, might read" This shows that not only the youth can be affected by media, but also adults and anyone can be gullible. A government like this would hurt even when handled correctly because I think that there is no way for the government to completely change people's daily lives. It doesn't matter how many books you burn the truth always shows through some time or another.

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    5. I believe that media today is corrupting our minds. In todays world everyone is influenced by what they see on tv or what they read on Facebook. Along with that most all people believe what they read, thus leading us to believe what we shouldn't. It kinda blinds us from a reality beyond car accidents and small news stories.

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  3. Why do you think Beatty hates books?

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    1. This is how the society is and they have been taught that since they were children.

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    2. Beatty hates books because he was brainwashed, just like most people, into thinking that books are bad. Everything he says and does is complete brainwash by their government. "He had never seen a fireman that didn't have black hair black brows a fiery face..... these men where all mirror images of himself!"P.30 This shows that they're so brainwashed that they even all look the same.

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    3. I think the only reason anyone would hate books is if you were either raised that way or had a bad experience. Beatty has a reason for hating the books but no one would go against his beliefs. The book burning kind of reminding me of World War 2. This society if like a parallel universe where Hitler won.

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  4. Clarisse opens up Montag's mind about the world and makes him think differently every time they talk to each others. "He felt his body divide itself into a hotness and a coldness, a softness and a hardness...". Is the way Montag felt after he had talked to Clarisse; making him feel different and weird.

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  5. @Jess I think Montag has become so accustomed to his daily routine and has never really questioned if he enjoys it because that is what he has been taught, and Clarisse is making him question his happiness and whether he enjoys his job and life in general.

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  6. Is Clarisses "uncle" a cover up for what she really knows but she doesn't want to get in trouble for her knowledge so she blames the knowledge on her "uncle".

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  7. Is the relationship between Guy and his wife a "regular" relationship in this time?

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    1. I think that the relationship between Guy and his wife is normal in the society they live in because the society seems very boring and just plain and there isn't ever any fun things or exciting moments in the life that they live which is normal.

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  9. Does Mildren over dose often?

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  10. Do you think Montag likes his job? Do you think that he questions his job and role now that he has met Clarisse?

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    1. I think that he thinks he likes his job but after meeting Clarisse he realizes that he is not. "He was not happy. He said the words to himself."(Pg 9)

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    2. I first, I think Montag shows a lot of pride and prestige in his job. He also has many freedoms that the others don't have. But after meeting Clarisse, I feel like Montag begins to realize that his job is full of destruction and sadness.

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    3. I think that Montag doesn't know anything other than his job and doesn't really find it boring or exciting. It's just what he does. I think that he does question his job since he met Clarisse because of all the questions he has asked his fellow co-workers.

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    4. I feel that he does like his job even after meeting Clarisse, he likes what he does and the questions are just things to think about. Because it benefits someone one way or another.

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    5. I think Montag was brainwashed into liking his job for example when he says"Kerosene... is nothing but perfume to me."(Bradbury 4) but before Clarisse I don't think he ever questioned his liking of it, but now he because of her.

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    6. I don't think Montag has an opinion or really a choice because he doesn't notice if his job is "fun" or not. After meeting Clarisse, she made him open up and take a step back until he saw he didn't like his job and realizes he destroys a lot of things people take in possession.

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  11. I wonder if montag had ever questioned his job and the society before he met clarisse

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    1. I feel like Montag was pretty proud of his job. It made his feel important because both his father and grandfather were firemen. He probably felt like he was living up to their expectations. It's also a pretty prestigious job in their society.

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    2. I don't think they are really taught to express their minds in this world, and that is why Clarisse has to see a physciatrist. So, before Montag met Clarisse, he just coped with his life and always just thought he was happy.

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    3. I think he would've kept living his life the same way and not think of questioning his job. He needed Calrisse to open his mind and make him see things differently.

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  12. How does Clarisse effect Montag and is her function in the book? How and why does she change him?

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  13. It seems as if this little community is run by the thought of fear "I'm afraid of children my own age. They kill each other. Did it always used to be like that?..." so is the thought of fear what makes the government take such big actions like burning books and censoring?

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  14. Why do you think Mildred does not want any kids?

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    1. I think Mildred is selfish and doesn't want responsibility for someone else. She wants money to spend on a new T.V. for herself, not spend money on someone else, even if it is her child.

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    2. It's probably not that she doesn't want any kids, it's just that she's so mentally unstable she wouldn't be able to raise any. "Sore stomach, but I'm hungry as all get-out. Hope I didn't do anything foolish at the party." (Bradbury 16) This is showing how she didn't even remember that she almost killed herself, (or maybe she did?) someone like this isn't able to take care of a child.

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    3. Mildred can barely take care of herself and I feel like they will bring more unwanted stress and depression to her if she has them.

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  15. How has Clarisse changed Montag, so far in the book?

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    1. Has made him think about certain things about being a firefighter that he never really considered before

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    2. I think that clarisse has kind of opened montags eyes to the world and he starts to ask if he likes how hes living

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    3. She has made him question his job and if his job has always been like this. I believe she has made him think if he is doing the right thing.

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  16. Why do you think that books are banned but technologies like the televisions are not? Does reading have a bigger impact than seeing things?

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    1. They can censor what is on tv easier than in books. They believe everything they see on tv because it is all they have ever seen.

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    2. The government can control what goes on TV and social media a lot easier than what goes in books. I think that certain books have more truth than TV, so the government thought it would be safe to ban all books.

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  17. With how much the government in this society has sacrificed to make things the way they are, what have they even accomplished by doing so? How could the burning of all current texts benefit them? Are they trying to hide the past cause they fear it may change the society as it exists now?

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    1. Through books people could see how life was in the past and want change. They can censor everything on tv but not in books.

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    2. By the government burning the books they probably think that the people will be clueless and idealess therefore having less problems or "Keeping the peace". By the people not knowing anything they are less of a threat. They do fear the past and I think that everyone does but its a simple answer. Why do we learn history in school? Or read about things that happened so long ago. Because most of those things we can learn from so we don't repeat the past because we can see the consequences before hand.

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  18. I like your question Sarah. Everyone seems to be really unhappy with this society:
    "I mean, to have firemen burn OUR houses and OUR books." (pg. 31) These people are obviously unhappy and feel that this is unfair.

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  19. I think the government doesn't want books because of the History and the government doesn't want the people to learn about the past and the want to try to re-start the country. This reminds me of the Divergent book series. I agree with @Nyomi and @David

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  20. On page 14 Montag thinks, "Someone else's blood there. If only someone else's flesh and brain and memory. If only they could have taken her mind along to the dry cleaner's and emptied the pockets..." From this, it is obvious that Montag is not happy with the wife he has. Do you think he will leave her to find happiness? Does he regret marrying Mildred?

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    1. I think he is starting to regret marrying her because his mind is becoming more open and he has realized that he is not happy. I think that he will do something about this.

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    2. I think even if he wanted to leave Mildred, after her suicide attempt, he probably feels obligated to stay with her.

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    3. I wonder if it was an arranged marriage or if it is socially acceptable to get a divorce.

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  21. Is Montag going to become curious, about Clarisse's disappearance?

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    1. @Mwelch1221-3 I think if Montag does not see Clarisse soon he might start worrying because she is a person who explores and could very easily have gotten in trouble; "I am still crazy"(Bradbury 19). She is often called crazy because of her odd behavior in this society.

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    2. I think that he would become curious because once you start getting into a habit of doing something or seeing a person you don't expect it to end. So everyday he doesn't see Clarisse he will become curious about what happened because they obviously enjoy talking to each other, and I think Clarisses friendship represents the good in Montag's life because I think his job and his wife no longer make him happy.

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  22. Considering Beatty is constantly quoting books, do you think he secretly loves books?

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    1. I think that he does like books but he is scared of what the books can do to his reputation.

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    2. I think he knows that the fire department can't go burn their chiefs house, so he secretly has his own library.

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